Questions About Healing and Miracles Versus “Seeker Sensitive”

Dear Wayne,

I have a few questions for you.

My first question: When I was at your conference last year, you talked about being pastor of a Pentecostal church in Hawaii, and how it didn’t seem to attract the multitudes. When the Lord led you to Oahu, you started a church that was purposely less Pentecostal and saw multitudes come to the Lord. How did the Lord lead you to start a different style of church in Oahu? At the conference, there was a lot of discussion about making things appealing to those who have not yet come – in terms of presentation, delivery and message. I am having difficulties comparing that to the ministry of Jesus and the apostles. People flocked to them because they healed the sick, cast out demons and set people free. Whereas putting the emphasis on presentation, delivery and message seems to me to be a natural or “soulish” reality.

Dear Friend,

Thank you for your question. First of all, I do not remember saying that I was “pastor of a Pentecostal church in Hawaii, and how it didn’t seem to attract the multitudes.” In fact, the church in Hilo was the largest church in the state at the time (now it is New Hope Oahu). I am doing the same thing here. I am about as Pentecostal as they come, but I don’t wear Pentecostalism as my identity. It will always be Jesus and He alone. Being Pentecostal does not mean that attention is not paid to quality and excellence. When it comes to a sermon or service, the Holy Spirit’s responsibility is to ensure that the message is TRUTH-filled, not necessarily interesting or creative. We must ensure that we pay attention to that. So I put my emphasis on what Jesus is saying, and I also pay attention to presentation. That simply makes good sense.

People are not tired of the gospel. They are tired of tired presentations of the gospel.

My second question: Where does New Hope sit doctrinally with current revivals that appear to be breaking loose with manifest healings and deliverances? I have trouble relating to what I see in churches. If the Lord is truly doing a new thing, a work that is wrapped up in the presence of God, shouldn’t that be the focus of meetings – to bring the lost into an encounter with the presence of God? No excellent presentation or skillfully crafted message would be needed. It seems to me the simplest presentation of the gospel under the manifest presence of God would have the same effect today as it did in the first church.

You are correct that without His presence, we would not be distinguished from any other people on the face of this earth. Exodus 33:15 is a great reminder to me of that. We do not put our dependence on a skillfully crafted message, but on the power of God. Paul the Apostle said that in 1 Corinthians 2:5. The bottom line is that people’s lives are being transformed for an eternity. Otherwise, we are simply getting enamored with miracles and having people feeling better for a while. It is not about the signs and wonders, but the RESULTS of the signs and wonders that interest God.

For example, in the twelve years that we have been in existence, more than 34,000 people have come to Christ. Now there might not have been the outward pageantry, which is always such a joy to be a part of; but the fruit is still there and continuing until this day. So we must look at CHANGED LIVES as the bottom line, not the outward manifestations alone. That is only one of the means to accomplish our goal.

New Hope churches are not “seeker driven.” They are Holy Ghost driven. They may be “seeker friendly” which only means we welcome sinners and pagans, and we make them friends of God through salvation and Christ’s blood. I have a motto: Simplicity with Excellence. Simplicity does not mean it has to be sloppy. Simplicity can be excellent because our God deserves the most excellent presentation we can give. When we finally arrive in heaven, and are presented before Jesus, we will have simplicity of truth and the spectacular. We will have both.

Hi Pastor Wayne,

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I can’t imagine the task involved in stewarding New Hope Oahu, and I realize that there would be many demands on your time.

My sense in the spirit is that the path the Lord has laid before me will differ from the New Hope model. The prophetic word over my life speaks of a powerful healing and deliverance anointing, preaching and teaching, and a heart for the nations. I will follow wherever the Spirit of God leads.

I remember being invited to your management journaling group at Starbucks. You spent a bunch of time teaching about the “Urim and Thummim,” which I was totally blessed by. Every time I get to that part of the Old Testament, I think of your teaching. I want to thank you again for your time and wisdom.

Dear Friend,

Thank you for your kind email. I am glad you are serving Christ. Some are called to repair the ones already harvested; and others are anointed and called to reach new harvest fields that have just ripened. Both are very important callings.

New Hope is a harvest church. I know that the harvest will not self reap, but it will self destruct if not reaped. So I encourage all ministries, and I also encourage them not to compare one against the other. It only causes pride to mutate into a “religion.” I encourage you to follow God’s assignment for you while encouraging others in their assignments. We are all on the same team.

Much love,
Wayne Cordeiro

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